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Saturday, August 2, 2014

The Dilemma of Audience Recordings

It was 6 or 7 years ago when I first found sites on the web where I could download unreleased live shows.  I quickly learned that not all downloads were created equally. Some sounded incredibly good, often better than official live releases, while others sounded like they had been recorded under water using a tin can and a string.  By trial and error, I learned that for the most past FM broadcasts and soundboard recordings could be counted on to sound great, while audience recordings, well, they were a whole different story.

For the longest time, I pretty much avoided posting any audience recordings on this blog because most, to be honest, sounded awful,  I wanted folks who came to So Many Roads to find great sounding concerts, a lesson I learned from the legendary Tunz Master Dino.   That said, in the last year or so, I've softened my stance on audience recordings somewhat, for several reasons. First, I've found more and more audience tapes that actually sound good.  Even a couple, such as the Neil Young Greendale show from Europe, that you could swear were soundboards. Second, some historically important concerts are only available as audience tapes, and given that the historical bent of this blog, I felt it was important to post them.  Finally, I've had numerous requests from readers of this blog for certain shows which can only be found as audience tapes.  I like to be responsive to the folks who support this blog, so I've taken to posting more audience recordings. That said, the blog will still be well over 85% soundboard and FM recordings.

For the 15% or so audience tapes,  I do my best to post only excellent/high quality recordings.  I listen to every one of then before I post them, trying to make sure the sound quality, while maybe not as pristine as a soundboard, is clear, with no distortion, static or excessive audience noise.  I try to avoid anything that sounds like it was recorded in cave, where vocals are distant or tinny, or where you can't tell the guitars from the drums.

Of course, its hardly an exact science.  What I think sounds great someone else may find unacceptable or vice versa.  And I'd be lying if I didn't say that an audience tape of a band I love, or of a show I attended, always seems to sound better to me. Guess that's just human nature at work.

In any event, knowing all the issues around audience tapes, I make sure every one is clearly marked as such.  That way no one is surprised.   If you don't want to take any chances, just avoid the ones that say audience tapes.  If your ears are a bit more forgiving, you can take a chance on them.

Audience tapes, even the best quality ones, will always pose a dilemma for both poster and the down loader, but here at So Many Rods we think we've taken an approach that's honest and open, and hopefully works for everyone involved.

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

Good comment. Recently, a well known backdoor closed to a source of amateur 'boards, that pushes many to the auds, which are, as you say, a jungle of subjective opinion.

Go ahead, trust your judgement. You have a great system here. Thanks again.

Bennett said...

I used to never even bother with aud. recordings, but have found some of them to be superior to some soundboards I have heard.

Anonymous said...

You're doing everything right! Keep up the good work, and thanks!

Anonymous said...

Great insight and I agree that in most cases soundboards and radio broadcasts sound superior to audience recordings, however there are always exceptions, I have been downloading for a while now and some audience recordings actually sound more alive and vibrant than some soundboards. An acoustic show in a smaller venue by someone like Jackson Browne or James Taylor can sound really great while audience recordings don't sound as good in a large stadium especially if the band is more hard rock orientated , Led Zep, The Who, Black Sabbath ecc. The stones have some pretty good audience recordings, Two Honolulu Hawaii shows from 73 come to mind, Led Zep has a very famous boot called Blueberry Hill from LA Forum 1970, They used something called a shotgun mike and it sounds soundboard. Another is burn that candle, a monster show from LA Forum 72. Im with you though that some sound like you are 200 yards away and all you hear are the drunks next to you and that's no fun. Some soundboards sound dry and lack atmosphere almost like no one is in the audience. The best of both worlds are the matrix recordings a combo of audience and soundboard. Basicly audience recordings sound better even better than some soundboards if it is in a small venue and the mike is close to the stage, great blog thanks

staffie said...

Soundboard, FM Broadcast or Audience - your shows are great speedy... for that thank you!.... keep rocking my friend...

best
staffie



speedymjb said...

You keep rocking as well Staffie! Always good to hear from you my good friend! And thanks for the very kind words!

Anonymous said...

I have been a long time taper of live shows first back in the 70's with the old cassette machine, and more recently with the new digital recorders available. I spend some serious money on a machine and these new machines are fantastic. However you are constantly at the mercy of the audience and people immediately around you. It's amazing how talkative people become when they go to see a live band then shut up once over. It drives me to distraction when I am surrounded by all the talkers in the building, so please spare a thought for us tapers who take the time and trouble to bring you a show you would otherwise never get to hear, who have to smuggle the machine in and not get discovered by ever vigilant security stall and the incessant talkers, shouters and whoooo hooooooers who think it is clever to make a noise for the sake of it.
Enjoy the hard work that goes into bring live shows to you from us.

speedymjb said...

Well said my friend. My thanks to you and all the tapers who work so hard to bring us live music. Especially with all the obstacles of sneaking in equipment, avoiding security, and dealing with loudmouths in the audience.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Speedy, there is an amazing amount of pleasure derived from bringing a live show for others to enjoy when no other version is available. As long as people enjoy we will continue to bring you live shows.
Long may the tapers continue.

Great blog by the way, wonderful eclectic collection of music, long may you share some amazing shows.

Anonymous said...

Basically, I only burn on CD good soundboards or FM sources, but agree that sometimes audience sources are excellent exceptions (I totally agree with your ref to Neil Young's European Greendale tour).

And then of course, how nice it is to go to a concert and some days later find an audience source offered by a taper. As you were in the audience, it's just a marvelous souvenir then...

Thanks again for the high quality boots posted here.

Derek from Paris

draftervoi said...

My feeling is just label them clearly. If it is a sound board or FM, I'm far more likely to want to hear the show...but if I was THERE, actually sitting in the audience for a particular show...I will take whatever I can get.

Anonymous said...

Some audience recordings actually have more atmosphere than some soundboards, especially if it is an acoustic show a a smaller venue, not at large stadiums though and audience sounds better if the artist is more soft rock orientated , Black Sabbath for example would sound better soundboard, Audience would be fine for someone likeJames Taylor or Joni Mitchell

Lewis said...

Great little debate to bring up here, speedy. I trust your quality control and am always impressed with what you post, so I am sure you will pick the shows - be they soundboard/FM or audience - that meet your quality control and will be fun for us all to hear.

Really enjoy your blog - check it daily, and also I enjoy the fact that your shows are always posted on the date they occured. Cool theme.

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